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AGoT Jon 7: the things they do for love? (more spoilery than usual)

Mormont: “The things we love destroy us every time.” Is this true? Just sticking to the major POV characters:

  • Ned is destroyed by his love of (his idealized image of) Robert, and his resulting blindness to crucial aspects of his situation. (His love of honor figures in also, but this reread has shown Robert to be much more important than I previously realized.)
  • Catelyn is destroyed by her love of her family(or of her concept of herself as perfect family woman), and of drama (e.g., foolishly insisting on traveling to King’s Landing herself; kidnapping Tyrion and then ignoring all logical arguments as to his innocence).
  • Jon is destroyed by his love of being right (see his own comment about himself below). Ultimately this stems from his love of his father and yearning for a level of security and recognition not afforded by his social status.
  • Daenerys was, for quite a while, on the path to being destroyed by her love of her people, or more cynically, of her image of herself as mother savior and emancipator. (Daario’s just a blip on the radar screen.)
  • Theon is destroyed by his yearning for validation, stemming from his frustrated love of the Starks and what they stand for.
  • Jaime did rather poorly living a life defined by his love of his sister.
  • If Brienne has been destroyed, it’s by her love of honor and, possibly, Jaime.

On the other hand:

  • Arya loves her family, her freedom, and the satisfaction of attaining mastery, and has mostly benefited by at least the latter things. And she’s about as far from destroyed as any major POV character at this point.
  • Sansa loves her illusions, and is also far from destroyed yet.
  • Tyrion loves his own intellect and the idea of being in love with a woman. Things haven’t gone well for him, but when it comes down to it, most of his misfortunes have been visited on him by others in spite of his efforts to avoid them. In particular, the bane of his existence is his father, who he mostly has the sense to hate.
  • Bran suffered significant harm due to his love of climbing, but once again, I think the blame for that (as well as for his increasingly creepy situation) largely falls on others, including possibly the gods/fate.
  • Davos seems to love his family and to have a generally strong but realistically calibrated moral compass, which one could describe as a love of goodness. He’s lost a lot, but once again, largely due to the actions of others, and he has remained more stolidly himself (i.e., undestroyed) than any other major adult character.
  • Sam loves knowledge, comfort, and his brothers (particularly Jon), and is doing quite well so far.
  • Cersei loves herself (her brother/husband and children, I think, are loved only as extensions thereof). I don’t think I’d call her destroyed as all her sufferings don’t seem to have made much of a psychological dent.

Elsewhere in this chapter.

  • I think this is the point where Jon chapters, never my favorites, become the boring stuff I have to get through to reach the good stuff (like, yes, Sansa chapters). I’m just not that into zombies, male bonding, or teen angst.
  • “Jon Snow was nothing if not stubborn.” Word.
  • Jon was “a babe in arms” when the current summer began. So Robert’s war took place in winter?
  • Old Nan says: in the past, the Others invaded the south and destroyed human cities and even kingdoms.
  • Jon is bright enough to doubt that Joffrey would allow Eddard to live (Joffrey’s handlers apparently weren’t).
  • “If Lord Eddard was killed, [Catelyn] would be as much to blame as the queen.” Word again.
  • Mormont’s raven initially screams “corn,” but is later able to manage the much more situation-appropriate “burn.” If the raven is a front for the three-eyed crow, this suggests a limited degree of control of its faculties (insufficient, for example, to make it say “There’s a zombie in the solar!”)
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AGoT Eddard 12 – more spoilery than usual

Ah, the irony: Ned will someday tell Sansa how helpful(!) she was to him this day. Varys is “worse” than Littlefinger because he “[does] too little.” (Yeah, what was he thinking prepping only three or four Targaryen heirs?) Jon Arryn died “for the truth” (although Ned is finally right about Bran almost-dying for it).

I forgot that Sandor is now technically lord of Cleganeland, or whatever it may be called.

To Ned, the guardsman Tomard isn’t laughable “Fat Tom,” but a sensible and trustworthy supporter.

This chapter is probably Cersei’s sympathetic peak.

“What would Catelyn do, if it were Jon’s life, against the children of her body?” Is that some kinda foreshadowing?

Ned, still snarky!

Second use of the titular phrase, by Cersei.


AGoT Jon 1: what the Lannisters look like

Cersei is “as beautiful as men said.” She has long golden hair and emerald green eyes. Her smile looks fake to Jon (and GRRM implies it would look fake to any adult, by saying “even at fourteen” Jon can see through it — although it could just be Jon’s preternatural bastardly maturity, of which more later.)

Myrcella is “a wisp of a girl, not quite eight” with long golden curls.

Tommen is plump and has white-blond hair that is longer than Arya’s. We learned in Catelyn I that he is seven (which would make for some pretty close birth spacing between him and Myrcella — I almost feel sorry for Cersei).

Joffrey is twelve, taller than fourteen-year-old Robb who has himself been described as notably tall. He has long, thick blond curls, emerald green eyes, and pouty lips.

Jaime is “tall and golden, with flashing green eyes and a smile that cut like a knife.” And of course, Jon thinks he looks like a king should look. I use this, along with the image of Jaime sitting on Arys’s throne after assassinating him, is the basis for my “Jaime will end up King” theory. (No, I’m not serious, and am too lazy to try to come up with political/military circumstances that could allow this to happen — just having fun as a confirmed Jaime fanperson. Really, I think he’ll end up perishing in some form of suicide-by-cop while symbolically trying to do his job as Kingsgaurd by defending a king who he ironically doesn’t like or respect much, such as maybe Stannis. Hopefully not until very near the end of the series, and not until after strangling Cersei.)

Tyrion gets more description than any of the others:

“[H]alf his brother’s height … [with] stunted legs. His head [is] too large for his body, with a brute’s squashed-in face beneath a swollen shelf of brow. One green eye and one black one peered out from under a lank fall of hair so blond it seemed white.”

And of course, there is the final line of the chapter–“just for a moment, Tyrion Lannister stood tall as a king”–undermining my Jaime for King campaign before it even started.

Interestingly, both Tyrion and Tommen have white blond hair, while the rest are described as golden. Tommen’s biological parents are siblings, Tyrion’s (if we assume they’re exactly who they’re supposed to be) first cousins; it seems like the Lannisters may have a recessive white-blond gene floating around and these two got a double dose. Tommen’s white-blondness does undermine those who would use Tyrion’s white-blondness as evidence that he’s actually a Targaryen, unless they want to argue that Tommen is a Targaryen too. (I never liked that theory, if only because it makes Tyrion’s relationship with Tywin less artistically satisfying to me if Tywin’s not really his dad. Tywin doesn’t get a loophole for treating him badly, nor Tyrion a loophole for kinslaying.)